Looks good chuck.
Looks like I'll have to buy the pups and covers separate?
Hopefully everything will fit together.
Looks good chuck.
Looks like I'll have to buy the pups and covers separate?
Hopefully everything will fit together.
they should. does the neck pup work? if so leave it and get a fralin or antiquity. if not, buy a set. but really you'll just need a switch, the roller knobs and pots, and that's about it right? you said the guard fits okay, you've got the neck pup, have forgotten the other bits. i think you're close on the deal. best of luck amigo!
"don't worry, i'm a professional!"
Arf.
Even though it is probably Rustoleum enamel.
Do I really have to sand all of the paint off in order to prime and refin?
It's a freakin' chore to take it all the way down to the wood.
If I have to do that, I'll use chemical stripper.
Can't I just prime over the old paint?
Also seems like getting down to bare wood reveals other issues, thus grain filler, new sealer, etc.
probably. i'm no paint expert but i believe you need to level the old paint, make her smooth, and shoot.
"don't worry, i'm a professional!"
Will do.
Filler, sealer, primer, base, color...and clear.
Woof.
I'm on it, boss.
First thing in the morning.
Too cold for chemicals at the moment.
depends on what chemicals you're using...
"don't worry, i'm a professional!"
I stripped a beat up G&L poly painted SC3 (with some unknown dark gray metallic paint on top of the original black) in less than two hours using chemical stripper.Originally Posted by Cygnus X1
It's really not that bad once you get your sleeves rolled up. It took 1 hour or so to strip and another 45 minutes to final sand her down for a primer coat.
Now all I need are a bunch of odd ball G$L parts parts to put her back together...
Thank you Dan.
Yes, stripping is (usually) not too bad.
Just not liking what happens once I get all of that off.
I've had some times when I think the wood is ready, smooth as glass, and I see issues pop up after sealing/priming that I could not see before.
That's why I don't like "going there".
If there is old paint then the humps and dips are easy to spot and take care of.
Chuck-I reread your post-it might be possible to just smooth it over and shoot a little primer to see if things hold up.
Probably the quickest thing to test before I get too far.
might as well amigo, you ain't gonna mess it up anymore than it already is.
"don't worry, i'm a professional!"
here's my sweetheart, a redhead. pulled the "rhythm" circuit, new pots/cap/switch/output jack. i also changed the pups to some crazy kustom ones. gotoh tuners, custom bridge inserts, and a ground down and flipped mustang bridge. also, an anodized guard. there's only 3 pickguard screws holding it down cause it's an MIJ with an MIA guard. i filled and put in the other screws, but honestly like the microphonic tone of just three PG screws. call me crazy, but the tone of this guitar came down to how many screws held down the guard... what a geek! anyways, it's all original!...
just to share what i got:
please keep us updated on this cyg, i love jazzmasters!
"don't worry, i'm a professional!"
Day-um!
Good stuff, chuck-o.
yep, first guitar i bought with my own money. $5 an hour all summer to pay it off.
"don't worry, i'm a professional!"
I stripped the paint off and am cleaning up the hardware.
Folks-PB Blaster is great stuff!
I soaked the rusted, gunked up bridge in it and most of it cleans up great.
So, curious, I swept the rusted trem arm in the PB Blaster, wired brushed it with a very fine brass brush, and shazam!
Very nice!
No pitting, the surface rust was thick, but came off and left no trace of anything underneath.
I might be able to salvage a lot based on just that.
Conundrum though-I have a brand new HVLP paint kit and a nice compressor. Was thinking about doing either fiesta red or candy apple using that paint system.
BUT, I would only need about a quart at most, prolly a pint to do the body.
Only things I have been able to find is Candy Apple Dupli-Color at 22 bux a quart (plus their clear), another 22 dollars...acrylic lacquer. Not even sure it would look good.
Thinking about just going ahead with ReRanch nitrocellulose lacquer areosol Fiesta Red. 15 dollars a can, and their clear to top it.
Any suggestions?
Like where I can find pint quantities of fiesta red?
Is Candy Apple close enough?
I can't even come up with pints of that, and I really don't need a lot of the stuff.
Or is the ReRanch good enough?
CAR will require an undercoat, Kev -- either gold or silver. Gold produces a slightly warmer (more orange) tone and makes the red a skosh darker and more intense. Silver makes for a brighter "more happy/friendly" red. Fender switched from gold to silver undercoats for this custom color in the mid '63 model year. Since you've determined the instrument's vintage to be 1961, gold would be the proper undercoat selection.
HTH
"When injustice becomes law then rebellion becomes duty."
Yes, what I found was this:
White primer, gold, then red.
And the housepaint on top.
Barring being able to find pint-sized containers for the spray gun, I guess the Reranch aerosols will be what I'll be using.
They sell a "fiesta red".
Still trolling for opinions here.
House Of Kolor sells paints in 4-oz cans......
http://www.hokpaint.com/hokkits.aspx
It's not nitro lacquer but I've seen these paints used to finish (and refinish) guitars. Correctly prepped and applied, they look mighty nice.
HTH
"When injustice becomes law then rebellion becomes duty."
my vote is for CAR, especially on a jazzmaster. as you can see though, my vote is swayed.
"don't worry, i'm a professional!"
Burgundy mist metallic!
(I also have a JM in this colour).
Oh, yeah.... burgandy mist metallic. The baddest of all vintage custom colors.
That's the stuff.
If you're keeping the Tortoise guard, black or white.
"Well, I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused..."
Elvis Costello
Going original, as the headstock face is fiesta red and is not going to be refinished.
Looks like I'm going to do the Reranch for this one also.
Owner wants it as original as possible, with the exception of the Fralin pickups.
Uh, Whut...
Clay dots?
Yup, that funked up neck looks like it has clay dots for markers.
Is this normal for a '61?
I thought those went away earlier.
Update on progress:
I flattened out that pickguard.
A trick I found on the Interwebbie:
Place in flat baking dish. Put some water in it.
Place another flat (whatever) on top of it.
Weight it down with a clean brick.
Bake in oven at no more than 200 degrees F for about an hour.
Make sure it is submerged in water.
Remove and allow to resume to room temperature.
Some hazing occurred, came off easily with McGuire's Scratch Remover.
It was just on the surface.
I think if I used pure distilled water then I wouldn't have seen even that.
Very little shrinking, I would estimate 5% at most.
But flat as new!
I am going to expand the holes on the aluminum plate just a tad to compensate
and the screw holes are already plugged as I seal and prime the body.
Oh, and on the advise of the forum-Lindy Fralins will be going in, as well as a new bridge from Angela.
The rest cleaned up fine with PB Blaster.
Electronics will be yet to be judged.
I hope I won't have to replace anything but only time will tell.
never heard of that trick, but will log it away in case. it's very common to have to open up the holes on the foil guard. sounds like she's coming along nicely.
"don't worry, i'm a professional!"
Thank you Chuck.
I block sanded the primer/sealer coat, and sure enough a couple of issues showed up.
A little filler, let it dry, smoothed it out, and now another coat of primer to proceed.
I'll give it 2 days to dry, and go at it again.
Looking very closely at the neck, and the cowboy chords are cut right into the frets and OMG, depressed pretty deep into the rosewood.
I can only try a dressing and pray the rosewood won't interfere.
It will need another bone nut, but that's not a big deal.
And, yes...clay dots.
That did knock me out a bit.
Last time I saw that on my bench the guitar went for 14K.
It was a Strat, and that was 20 years ago.
that's how my jazz is starting to become, it'll need a refret at some point.
"don't worry, i'm a professional!"
Setback #1.
It shore ain't no fiesta red!
I sprayed the Reranch FRED just to see where I
was on the primer (it's really hard to see flaws on that white).
FRED is like...orange.
This is most assuredly candy apple red, or similar...factory custom.
Keep in mind the headstock face is painted-original, and I am not touching that except to clean it.
Funny thing is-I cannot find any '61 that is like that.
Those kind of options didn't seem to appear until 65 or so.
And it is not a mismatched body/neck, because the original paint under the neckplate matched the headstock.
But everything else spells out '61:
Tailpiece is "Patent Applied For". Tall tops on the bridge bushings. Sharp rectangular cutouts in the aluminum plate for the roller knobs.
Clay dots.
My source might be full of it...
Here it is:
http://www.jimshine.com/jazzmaster/i...der_jazzma.htm
Possibility of Dakota Red?
The three available reds that year would've been Fiesta, Dakota, or Candy Apple. In the absence of a metallic undercoat, the possibilities narrow to the former two shades, at least as far as a "standard" custom color goes as depicted on contemporary color charts.
"When injustice becomes law then rebellion becomes duty."
Well, she stripped to the housepaint, then the red, then yellow (or gold), and then white.
I'm starting to think I am in over my head.
I am about ready to suggest to the owner to turn it over to a true pro.
Sure, it could be a couple of thou, but I am starting to suspect we have a REAL collectible here, not a garden variety
restoration.
I want to stop before I screw it up!
I have contacts, maybe it is worth it.
Last edited by Cygnus X1; 11-29-2009 at 04:23 PM.
So I re-read my posts...I had no idea what Fiesta Red was!
Sorry for the misinterpretation, I want to make this right.
Here's my 1962 JM with a 1965 neck. I figured the original owner wanted a matching headstock but it wasn't available until around 65 so they just had it re-necked. I have no proof of this however. These pics show you a 62 CAR finish. Remember that they all faded and changed color a bit. I've seen some that were almost candy apple orange. This one is less faded as can be seen by the picture of the underside of the pickguard.
VM
If aliens listened to our current top 40, they'd think that the entire planet was populated by sexually ambivalent robots with ethnic insecurity.
Very nice fripp!
That neck ought to have a date stamp on the end.
The one I'm working on does not.
Color-I'm still going to try to match the headstock.
Well the CAR didn't work out-I ran out of time.
I did not have the clear red I needed to pull it off.
But I did prime white, then color gold, and then red.
And some glitter is there, just not much.
Acrylic lacquer, rattle canned, it took all this time to layer it, but it's not bad at all with a LOT of elbow grease and clear coating.
I saved many of the old parts except the pups and the bridge.
The pickup covers are cream but hard to tell here:
I was able to flatten out the old pickguard, but I had to open up some slots and holes. Not to mention
the fact that the aluminum plate did not shrink, so I had to work on that as well.
Headstock face is untouched, per customer request:
What a flamed neck!
The neckplate is perfect, just reflecting the gold lined generic case.
Oh, and clay dots!
Remind me to get the rest of that compound off the fingerboard tomorrow morning.
All in all, it's "good enough" to give.
Still needs a little more setup work but I simply ran out of time. I'll tell him the truth-the trussrod needs to set in, and I need to readjust.
It does sound good for what it is.
Those pickups are nice and clear sounding (Fralins, vintage style).
The action is too high for my taste at the moment.
I just don't want it to fret out the moment junior tries
it out the first time.
Thanks for all the help everyone!
Last edited by Cygnus X1; 12-22-2009 at 06:38 PM.
Geez that guitar actually turned out swell, Kev! Sure, maybe it isn't perfect but it was close to a basket-case when you began. I think your efforts will be appreciated in no small measure.
Rawk on!!!
"When injustice becomes law then rebellion becomes duty."
Indeed. That is a beautiful guitar and you did some excellent work in bringing it back to life. As Phantomman pointed out, it was a wreck when you got it. You did some amazing work.
s'all goof.
Thank you all.
The customer is very happy so far.
We'll see if it flies with his son.
Regardless, whether or not...he has a very cool vintage
guitar that he can be proud of.
I told him he must return it after a couple of weeks so I can
finish everything up properly.
Yeah that's great looking. Really nice job, especially considering where it was when you started.
VM
If aliens listened to our current top 40, they'd think that the entire planet was populated by sexually ambivalent robots with ethnic insecurity.
they could always send it to me for a tune up too cyg... no guarantees it makes it back to them though.
seriously though, nice work. there is no way that isn't going to be the coolest xmas present. awesome!
"don't worry, i'm a professional!"
Thanks Chuck-o.
And thank you for your help!
Wow nice job man, looks great. Gonna be hard to let that one go!
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